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	<title>Comments on: JLPT versus RTK: It&#8217;s Your Choice</title>
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		<title>By: Blue Shoe</title>
		<link>http://www.zonjineko.com/3284-jlpt-versus-rtk-its-your-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Shoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 23:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like I&#039;m a little late on board here. Sorry to gang up on you, but gotta agree with the others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I started learning Japanese, I was using the Genki textbook to learn kanji. I didn&#039;t learn about the JLPT for a while. I&#039;d wager the case is similar for many people. Also the JLPT has a number of levels, up to N1, which demonstrates a degree of fluency, so I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s used by beginners. I guess you could say the JLPT can be used as a tool, though I think more accurately it&#039;s a benchmark and the resources geared towards passing it are tools.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps more importantly, RTK, as you said, is a kanji-learning method. The JLPT is a test that includes kanji, yes, but also grammar and vocabulary (reading) and listening sections.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At any rate, glad you wrote this up. Interesting perspective.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I&#8217;m a little late on board here. Sorry to gang up on you, but gotta agree with the others.</p>

<p>When I started learning Japanese, I was using the Genki textbook to learn kanji. I didn&#8217;t learn about the JLPT for a while. I&#8217;d wager the case is similar for many people. Also the JLPT has a number of levels, up to N1, which demonstrates a degree of fluency, so I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s used by beginners. I guess you could say the JLPT can be used as a tool, though I think more accurately it&#8217;s a benchmark and the resources geared towards passing it are tools.</p>

<p>Perhaps more importantly, RTK, as you said, is a kanji-learning method. The JLPT is a test that includes kanji, yes, but also grammar and vocabulary (reading) and listening sections.</p>

<p>At any rate, glad you wrote this up. Interesting perspective.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zonjineko</title>
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		<dc:creator>zonjineko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My opinion is that beginners tend to learn kanji one of two ways - RTK or JLPT. JLPT being a way to classify the kanji in to smaller manageable chunks to learn and therefore a way of learning. Every iPhone app I know of uses the JLPT as it&#039;s learning level and popular sites like www.jlptstudy.com also use that way to learn kanji.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I know very well that JLPT is not officially a way of learning kanji, it is just a test but by being the most visible test of Japanese I think the JLPT is used by beginners to learn Japanese eg it&#039;s a tool. RTK is the total opposite and anyone wanting to study for N4 or N5 wouldn&#039;t use RTK as the kanji lists do not match up and of course you need the readings to pass JLPT.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So back to my original point - they are two different means to an end - learning kanji.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that beginners tend to learn kanji one of two ways &#8211; RTK or JLPT. JLPT being a way to classify the kanji in to smaller manageable chunks to learn and therefore a way of learning. Every iPhone app I know of uses the JLPT as it&#8217;s learning level and popular sites like <a  href="http://www.jlptstudy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jlptstudy.com</a> also use that way to learn kanji.</p>

<p>Now I know very well that JLPT is not officially a way of learning kanji, it is just a test but by being the most visible test of Japanese I think the JLPT is used by beginners to learn Japanese eg it&#8217;s a tool. RTK is the total opposite and anyone wanting to study for N4 or N5 wouldn&#8217;t use RTK as the kanji lists do not match up and of course you need the readings to pass JLPT.</p>

<p>So back to my original point &#8211; they are two different means to an end &#8211; learning kanji.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Durf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 02:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK, then help us figure out that statement. What is the &quot;JLPT way to learn kanji&quot;? /honestly confused here&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, then help us figure out that statement. What is the &#8220;JLPT way to learn kanji&#8221;? /honestly confused here</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zonjineko</title>
		<link>http://www.zonjineko.com/3284-jlpt-versus-rtk-its-your-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-1209</link>
		<dc:creator>zonjineko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thx for the feedback - looks like I&#039;m getting numbered here but I&#039;m sticking to my original statement ^_^&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx for the feedback &#8211; looks like I&#8217;m getting numbered here but I&#8217;m sticking to my original statement ^_^</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Himawari</title>
		<link>http://www.zonjineko.com/3284-jlpt-versus-rtk-its-your-choice/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Himawari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had the same thoughts as those who posted above me. You state that most learners would probably say they learned kanji through studying for JLPT (?) but I don&#039;t even think that is true (most people would probably just say they studied kanji using a textbook they use in class or for self-study). And like Durf said above - it&#039;s just a guideline for the order to learn them in. You can go about that any way you want.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same thoughts as those who posted above me. You state that most learners would probably say they learned kanji through studying for JLPT (?) but I don&#8217;t even think that is true (most people would probably just say they studied kanji using a textbook they use in class or for self-study). And like Durf said above &#8211; it&#8217;s just a guideline for the order to learn them in. You can go about that any way you want.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zonjineko</title>
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		<dc:creator>zonjineko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes it&#039;s not meant to be a way to teach kanji but if you asked a beginner how they learnt kanji I bet most would say JLPT. By default JLPT, while it is just a test, has become synonymous with a way to learn kanji (and Japanese in general).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have 10 apps on my iPhone that all categorise the kanji in to levels of JLPT and therefore I am &quot;learning&quot; those kanji via that program that categorises those kanji by their JLPT level.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It guess it&#039;s a semantic argument ^_^. I believe that the JLPT has become synonymous (for some) with learning Japanese and therefore kanji.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it&#8217;s not meant to be a way to teach kanji but if you asked a beginner how they learnt kanji I bet most would say JLPT. By default JLPT, while it is just a test, has become synonymous with a way to learn kanji (and Japanese in general).</p>

<p>I have 10 apps on my iPhone that all categorise the kanji in to levels of JLPT and therefore I am &#8220;learning&#8221; those kanji via that program that categorises those kanji by their JLPT level.</p>

<p>It guess it&#8217;s a semantic argument ^_^. I believe that the JLPT has become synonymous (for some) with learning Japanese and therefore kanji.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Durf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But I don&#039;t think JLPT is a &quot;way to teach kanji,&quot; as you seem to state. It&#039;s a guideline that tells you what order you should be picking them up, for sure, but beyond that the test doesn&#039;t have anything to do with how you go about doing that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A more meaningful comparison would be &quot;JLPT vs. Kanken&quot; as a set of yardsticks for your study, or &quot;RTK vs. school-grade-based textbooks&quot; as a way to internalize all them li&#039;l squiggly things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I don&#8217;t think JLPT is a &#8220;way to teach kanji,&#8221; as you seem to state. It&#8217;s a guideline that tells you what order you should be picking them up, for sure, but beyond that the test doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with how you go about doing that.</p>

<p>A more meaningful comparison would be &#8220;JLPT vs. Kanken&#8221; as a set of yardsticks for your study, or &#8220;RTK vs. school-grade-based textbooks&#8221; as a way to internalize all them li&#8217;l squiggly things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Totally agree with Durf. RTK is a learning method, the JLPT is a test.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Durf. RTK is a learning method, the JLPT is a test.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zonjineko</title>
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		<dc:creator>zonjineko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very true and I get your point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My point was it&#039;s your choice as to how you choose to learn kanji. Most schools teach kanji the same old way eg JLPT. Every student learns the first 103 kanji along with the readings but have no choice. Visual learners may never know that RTK exists and therefore struggle to learn kanji.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While JLPT is not a method per se, it&#039;s generally the only option given to students. They know nothing else but learning those kanji one by one and the associated readings. So in essence it is a method by default and of course a test.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true and I get your point.</p>

<p>My point was it&#8217;s your choice as to how you choose to learn kanji. Most schools teach kanji the same old way eg JLPT. Every student learns the first 103 kanji along with the readings but have no choice. Visual learners may never know that RTK exists and therefore struggle to learn kanji.</p>

<p>While JLPT is not a method per se, it&#8217;s generally the only option given to students. They know nothing else but learning those kanji one by one and the associated readings. So in essence it is a method by default and of course a test.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Durf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How are these things comparable? RTK is a method for memorizing the characters, and the test is to, well, test whether you can read them. RTK could be part of the methods you use to prepare for taking the JLPT. Where&#039;s the &quot;choice&quot; here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are these things comparable? RTK is a method for memorizing the characters, and the test is to, well, test whether you can read them. RTK could be part of the methods you use to prepare for taking the JLPT. Where&#8217;s the &#8220;choice&#8221; here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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